Cars - love hate relationship

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    Anyone else have this sometimes?

    I'm having a bit of a bad run of luck with vehicles at the moment and it's really causing me to rethink everything about my relationship with them. I think it'll pass, but it's amazing how things that can bring so much joy and often somehow overwhelm any rational financial thinking can make you pull your hair out and wonder why you bother....

    Two examples for you:

    Last week I was overjoyed that the motorhome passed its MOT with nothing other than a numberplate bulb needing replacing. The celebration was short-lived. A recurrent boost/limp problem returned. I was delighted when I ordered a new boost valve controller and fitted it myself for less than £100. Boost problem solved, back on the road, prepping for a week (work from home) in the Lake District given the missus is away.

    Boost problem solved, now a major hesitancy under load - sounds like a washing machine turning over a load slowly. It'll accelerate but very jerky.

    I took it to my Commercials guy who's looked at the vacuum pipes, turbo wastegate, injectors, fan coupling...only to conclude it's a problem with the gearbox. After speaking with a couple of gearbox specialists, they believe it's the torque converter. £350-400 part...........10-12hrs of labour to fit! :eek::sick:

    So, currently mulling my options in terms of whether I send it to a specialist (probably have to have it recovered) and let them do the work or leave it with my commercials guy since he's already got it and try and negotiate a deal with him.

    And then this....

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    The Porsche has managed to lunch either its transfer box or its gearbox. Either way I don't care since it's under warranty, but it has left a pretty poor taste in my mouth.

    Given how much I'm paying for it and the fact it's been in the garage so many times already, I'm getting increasingly close to accepting the Motorway/WBAC offer and calling it a day.

    At this stage, I'm two weeks away from throwing in the towel on them both and completely re-evaluating my relationship with cars and the money they cost.

    :mad::banghead::cry:
     
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    That is a sickener, on both accounts. Probably more so on the Porsche as you’ve had nothing but grief since you bought it. Not a great advert for the marque really!
    When my older cars have for to the point of costing me money that’s usually my man maths queue to spend a load more on a newer/better car. With the Cayenne I think you would have to get the warranty work done and then see if it is reliable. With the motor home it is on a knife edge financially, but then it seems that has more of a sentimental value given how you’ve used it. But 10 hours labour…..gulp.
     
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    You have my sympathies @Spuffington. Owning a nice car can be a joy, but when things go wrong they can be a real PITA. That's why, when I find a good reliable car, I tend to hang on to them and run them into the ground. At least you have a warranty on the the Porsche. The amount of transfer boxes they get through must be considerable. I can only wish you luck with whatever you decide.
     
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    I take it from what you said in the VW Toureg thread that the car has a hidden history that is now coming to light? If it’s already had a transfer box, and now possibly this one has failed, maybe there is an underlying fault/issue?
     
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    Thanks chaps. It is really very disappointing. Notwithstanding the transfer box issues the Macan had, that car was everything I wanted it to be (apart from it ultimately being a little too small in the end) and performed like I expected a Porsche to do, as well as generally being exceptionally well engineered.

    This one feels like it should be great, but there are these underlying issues which niggle and wear away at you.

    If it is just the transfer box and it can be sorted swiftly, then I'll be laughing. It will be the car I wanted and works for us. But if it's going to be one of those ongoing battles where they try one thing, then another, then another, then I will lose patience (pretty quick), cut my losses and move on. Life's too short, even if it is THE car I want to be driving right now.

    @Wynne71 - it's not necessarily hidden. It's right that I didn't know about the other transfer box, but it's not unexpected. What I was intrigued at was whether there were other gremlins in the service record (gearbox or engine issues). The sad fact is that most Macan's & Cayennes will have had a new transfer box at some point in their lives. My Macan had had two by 40k miles too and had another just before I sold it.

    Let's hope that's the issue here. The first one was replaced at 17k miles - by that reckoning, it's now overdue another given it's done 24k since then.
     
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    Cut your losses and bin the Porsche….
    There are loads of cars that can carry 2 kids and prams for a fraction of the value….. spend the rest on something else and move your love affair away from expensive cars……
    Today in the office we were doing man maths about elec’ cars…. Despite all our calculations of cost up front and then the very cheap running costs nothing could come close to the £4700 polo and it’s 70+ mpg….. long may it continue, whilst a plan for an early retirement…!!!!


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    Oh man, what a pain. Have to say I'm very surprised at the amount of transfer box failures, just bizarre. If it's any consolation I went through 12 months of absolute pain with the RRS but since then, touch wood, it's been trouble-free and a joy to own. Even Mrs CO really likes it now and she absolutely hated it when it was going wrong all the time.
     
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    that must be a real blow for you for one of the fleet to play up is bad enough but for two to give up at once is a real bummer
     
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    Look at the positives.....at least the X1 is performing well......apologies for the unhelpful quip but this is a BMW site :D

    Good luck in getting them both sorted
     
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    That's good you have the warranty for the Porker, dread to think of the cost otherwise.

    I've had a couple of altercations with cars in the midst of generally trouble free motoring. 2 breakdowns in 2 weeks while on holiday in Scotland a few years back was the most recent example.

    Years ago I bought a lemon that was nothing but trouble which I got rid of at a loss 4 months later.
     
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    Not a great advert for Porsche reliability, however these are hugely complex and high performance cars and with that mix attributes you would expect a larger scope for issues, it always makes me laugh when some toyota IQ wins reliability awards as the technical scope and performance envelope of the car is so far removed from something like the Cayenne it would be surprising if it wasn't much more reliable.

    Disappointing but at least you are covered under warranty which will minimize the cost and inconvenience, you can see how Lexus and Genesis can win over owners with faultless reliability and an extra level of customer service, even if the driving experience leaves much to be desired.

    Cars are in your blood Duncan you'll find it hard to give up you passion....however much pain and cost it causes.
     
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    Given all the issues you have had with the Cayenne and how recently you bought it ,do you have a case for rejecting the car as being "unfit for purpose / not of reasonable quality" and getting a full refund rather than taking a hit on part ex or WBAC / MWAY etc ?

    I am reassessing my relationship with cars, we are both now retired and yet have a G30 and a F48 parked outside.

    We need something that can carry 3 people and a wheelchair, hence the wife has her X1, but do i "need" a 5 series or would something smaller and cheaper be the sensible thing to do. The G30 is 4 years old and still has not reached 30k.

    Do i keeo it and run it till its about 10 years old
    Do i swap it for something smaller and more sensible
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    Do i let man maths take over and spend a small fortune on a nice car given the low miles its likely to do
     
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    Some good points in here. I’ll reply properly this evening.

    In the meantime the update is - Porsche hasn’t even seen the inside of the workshop yet. Evidently they’re ridiculously busy. Bit annoyed if I’m honest, although incredibly glad I’ve taken the courtesy car option as the cost of that will focus their minds on getting it sorted.

    So this turned up on my doorstep today. Could’ve had a Volvo XC40 if I’d needed a car urgently yesterday. Chose to hang out for something more “special”, as promised by the Enterprise lady yesterday.
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    15k miles on the clock and 3l 6 cylinder 271bhp.

    First impressions (just 25miles travelled), very good. Goes nicely. Still Rangey when it comes to the corners - for a Macan rival, it’s nothing like it. But a genuinely nice place to sit/steer. Good fuel economy and performance (32mpg). But feels flimsy in places and some questionable plastics around the dash. Plus a rattle around the nearside front door.

    Will be interesting to see how long I have it for. I’ll report back on what it’s like living with it. So far rather taken with it, but obviously a very different animal to the Cayenne.
     
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    I'm curious to see how you get on with the tech! I've not driven a Velar and have to say that when I first started beaking around LRs I just wasn't interested, don't like the styling. Suspect it'll be fine place to spend some time but FF/RRS for me.
     
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    Spuffman. God love you.
    I haven't been on the forum for a couple of years and if you aren't at double digit new cars within that time standards are slipping.

    Your quest to leave your mark in the previous keeper of 10% UK premium marques car pool continues I hope.

    All the best.
     
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    Don’t even go there..


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    This is what I'd be doing no question about it, before the market changes. You don't deserve all this hassle.
     
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    Well, it seems like it's going to be a while before I'm back in the Porky. It hadn't been anywhere near the workshop already - stuck in the yard waiting for a slot. Then I get a phonecall about an hour ago from an apologetic lady on the Service Desk announcing that 3/4 of the dealership had received Track & Trace texts and that they're to immediately isolate.

    So apart from the Workshop Controller and 1 Technician, the whole place is closed. Evidently my vehicle is marked as urgent (presumably under the SLAs they have with Porsche Assistance as well as the cost of the Enterprise courtesy car) but I guess they can only do what they can do.

    Watch this space. I'd be very surprised if I get my car back before end-next week now. At least it'll give me a proper opportunity to get acquainted with the Velar.

    So far it's a real mixed bag. I am loving the performance from it - it's got a real appetite to go, even if that is the usual diesel bluff which runs out of puff when you rev it out. It is very economical for its weight & size - 32mpg pretty much every journey so far with some good hammering of it and then dual carriageway cruising. Easily capable of 40mpg+ plus on a run, I'd say. But I'm confused about its place in the range. It's not as luxurious as it first appears. Ride is also confused. Wafty on the face of it, but has some real hard edges sometimes and can be really upset by some road surfaces. Then there's the look of it - confusing mix of Rangey, Evoque, coupe etc. Odd.

    I'd never buy one. But it has been interesting to experience a JLR product and made me more tempted to try a FF Rangey or RRS.

    Equally, I'm very keen to get the Cayenne back working and to see how good it is when everything is tight, new & working! :)
     
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    More bad luck, but at least you are mobile, I must say I don't understand the point of the Velar as it seems to have no real place in the range, it's not as luxurious like the Range Rover, not particularly sporty a la Range Rover Sport (if you can call that sporty), not at the cheaper end such as the Discovery sport, not lifestyle like the Evoque or utilitarian like the Discovery (if you can call that or the new defender Utilitarian) .....all a bit confused really...

    You can tell I'm not a fan of JLR don't really get the appeal........I'm sure you'll be glad to hand back and get into the porker....
     
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