B58 Shell VPower v Esso 95 test.

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    430CFBD0-D2C4-4826-873C-545265E4E167.jpeg Clearly no scientific test, and I’m not trying to pretend the 440i is an economic car, however, I’ve driven the car for just over 1000 miles using only Shell VPower unleaded (reset the trip computer on the first tank), and am surprised at the overall economy, as seen in the photo. This was taken just before refuelling today.
    I’m going to do a comparison over a very similar distance, with very similar driving conditions but using Esso 95 unleaded. A mixture of motorway driving, A road cruising and some B road “sport” driving.
    As well as the mpg returns, ECU derived, so a little pinch of salt required, but still giving a direct comparison to the previous figures, I will be attempting to see if there is a difference in power output. Shell claim a 4% power increase with the VPower.
    Just my own ramblings, thought I’d share. I shall update as the miles roll by.
     
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    Here in France it appears that ethanol free petrol isn't available; there's E5 and E10, but no E0. Yes, I know E0 doesn't exist, but you get my drift. Octane is usually 95 or 98 (others may exist). The 98 is always E5, with the 95 available in both E5 and E10 format. There's about 5 cents (think pence) difference between 95E10 and 95E5, and another 5 cents from 95E5 to 98E5.

    From what I've read, the UK will be going from 95E5 to 95E10 this summer. Personally I've always used the highest octane petrol available in my bikes and petrol cars. I stress mine, not company cars. The difference in cost is negligible.

    So Wynne, you may want to do it all again.

    E10 petrol explained - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
     
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    @Wynne71 Surprised in what way, better than expected or otherwise? Expensive stuff though, it's all I put in The Pony even though the handbook says 95.
     
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    It can be mind-boggling getting one's head around the E numbers and the B7 and B10 diesel numbers - especially as in some places they are the same price. :rolleyes:

    As for the synthetic diesel stuff called XTL I've never even tried that. :eek::whistle:

    One of the best explanations I ever came across was from RTL - aimed principally at Luxembourg of course - but AFAIK pretty near the whole of Europe is using the same labelling.

    https://today.rtl.lu/news/luxembourg/a/1251653.html
     
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    I use Tesco 99 and have done for years now. Loads on the M3 forum also use it with no issue. I simply won't pay the crazy amount shell want for V power regardless if it has detergents etc. I get reasonable MPG and it never feels lacking in grunt.
     
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    Apparently ESSO super unleaded is ethanol free (other than from Devon based stations!!) and I use it in my classic bike so it doesn't bugger up its carbs and tank lol.
     
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    Better than expected, given the engines capacity, performance etc I was expecting much less. Overall I’m running at 31.2mpg. Interested to see what impact the 95 has over the same time.
    Very rough calculations show an 11% increase in economy compared to a 7.8% increase in fuel price.
     
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    Interesting read, thanks for sharing. Possibly up to 1% decrease in overall economy with E10, very minor in the great scheme of things but still a factor to consider.
    I’m no engineer, so can’t comment on the impact the increase in ethanol will have on engine components etc. My 2017 car is supposedly built to manage such a change in fuel, maybe time will tell otherwise.
     
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    35mpg looks good to me...


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    Makes me think I’m not driving it correctly…!
     
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    Yep I used the same in my V8 E63 merc (y)
     
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    I was about to say the same thing.

    30-35mpg in a car with that performance is very good indeed to my mind.
     
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    With an extra two cylinders and larger displacement I would be very happy with late 20s.

    Managed 42mpg over the past 120 miles, I really am not trying hard enough to drive that car! M6/A14 traffic kept the speeds to 65/70, hence the higher reading since reset.
     
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    :unsure:

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    In fairness though, I can get 28mpg, tickling along on a long run. It’s just that most of my driving is local and on very fun country roads. :D
     
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    I’ve done another 1000+ miles on the standard 95 ron. The car is saying 33.8mpg over the distance, but a lower average speed, 36.7mph, so I can’t really make a broad comparison between the previous 1K miles on 99.
     
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    Well, I can’t really say I have noticed a difference in economy over the two grades of petrol. The car feels sharper and more responsive with 98, I’ve put another tank in and after 150 miles I can definitely feel an extra bit of “pep”. Economy wise no difference.
     
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    I normally use regular petrol in my motorbike and it gives a consistent 54 - 55 Mpg. Because I hadn't ridden for a while, I topped up the half full tank (50/50) with Super 99 octane and the consumption has improved to 60 Mpg. Not a scientific test, but it seems to have given a 10% improvement. When I get chance, I'll try it on a full tank of Super.
     
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    On my diesel G30 I see no difference in MPG or performance whether its super or normal fuel

    On the wifes Petrol x1 it certainly feels livelier on super unleaded and gives marginally better fuel consumption
     

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