Which one to choose??

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    Hi all, im looking to buy another bmw either a 320/330/525 or 530 between 2005/2007 but doing research on the internet i keep finding loads of horror stories. I found a 525 d m sport on a 2005 with 185k but its had all common faults sorted and auto box service last year , owned by enthusiast who asures me its been his pride and joy for many years. I like the 320cd also but find alot of people saying to stay clear. Can anyone advise me on which bm is going to be the best for me and which engine code to avoid please?.
     
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    Hi Johntyson,

    The 525d m Sport sounds like a better bet to me - engines of that era are pretty decent and if they've been looked after will go on and on....the engine to beware of is the 57 plate N47 engine (318d, 320d and 520d) these have the first generation 177bhp N47 engines and are very prone to timing chain issues......this wasn't sorted until 2011 and the first 2007 & 2008 cars are affected the worst.....can result in very pricey repairs so I would avoid - I have a 2007 520d on the M47 163bhp engine and on 130K no problems touch wood - the car has been extremely reliable ......probbaly needs some top mounts and drop links now but that's understandable - is also easy to work on...
     
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    I would agree. I owned a 525d of that era for 4 years and it was very reliable, only one fuel injectors needed replacement in that time. If its owned by an enthusiast and he has a file full of receipts, then whats not to like?
    As an aside, I also owned a 530d and I never felt like the 525d was under powered, it was a very flexible and refined engine, more refined than the 530d I thought.
     
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    Thanks for replys guys. This is the right up on description on the 525d 2005 184k 265bhp monster, how does it sound? ..bit of a read i know so thanks in advance.big miles and auto box but love the looks and been really looked. Are the auto boxes good on these? ...stunning Bmw 525d M-sport business edition, so wider full screen nav unit. Front and rear parking sensors with tyre pressure monitor follow me home lights and lock while driving. Factory painted In carbon swartz black, 2 tone blue and black metallic. Running 265 Bhp with nearly 500nm of torque. Stage 2 with dpf delete and gearbox map at dervtech. In Trafford Park. July 2017 Gearbox oil change service and sump +seal , clean and flush with mecatronics sleeve. And rear diff oil replaced at a cost of £520 at a bmw specialist. Aaron court in again in July 2017 Straight through exhaust pipe with life time warranty done at rye motors in Wigan. Custom power flow exhaust pipes with staggered tips M5 style. •Mot not due until the 26/09/2019. • Matt rear diffuser m5 style. Serviced every 5k ish without fail. Only ever used Castrol 5-30. As per bmw and owners manual. •Engine warmed up and cooled down every time I get in my friend did the same when he owned it. •Only ever ran on Shell V power with the occasional red ex treatment every few fills to clean injectors. •Egr removed and cleaned with high pressure ultrasound bath. •Glow plug control module and egr thermostat replaced. •Swirl flap delete. •Genuine bmw floor mats were replaced all round a few years back costing £122.50. •American style side light function coded in by Bmw carley. •American style double bleep when open and single bleep when locking, coded in by Bmw carley. •Front and rear pads and discs 45000 to 60000 miles left on them registered on dash. Brembo brakes all round. •All 4 wheel centre caps replaced with carbon look bmw ones to match the wheels. •Even a genuine bmw rear boot badge at a cost of £40 alone. •Aux cable wired in and coded. •I drive software update done. •Crankshaft pulley changed. •Throttle dance reset done recently. •2 rear touch screen, tv, DVD player units expensive, fitted and wired in by Manchester Audio, comes with game disc and headphones plus remote control and 2 hand controllers. •Bmw SOS , cruise control , climate control, sat nav, 6 cd interchanger . •New front coil spring. •Professionally tinted windows all round limo tint on already tinted glass done with all lights tinted. Done at pentagon tints in Bolton. •Profesionally tinted lights all round including fog lights and indicators at pentagon tints in Bolton as well at a cost of £25 per light. •De- baged. •M sport stripes on front kidney grills added. •Both front kidney grills replaced with black ones. •led fog lights and number plate lights. •Msport sills replaced and all seats replaced 2 years ago with a car that had 50k on at the time. •Both front cup holders replaced aswell as they was getting stuck covers coming off now perfect working order. •Turbo oil seals replaced and turbine propellers checked inside turbo, no movement works okay. •Oil separator breather replaced a few times in its life time twice in my ownership alone now has the new modified oil seperater that just has an interchangeable filter. •All 6 glow plugs replaced match 2017. •New front drop links and upper arms. •Lots more in receipts and paperwork packs and wallets full. •Still comes with 3 original keys. Wheels could do with a refurb but still look good. Oil level sensor shows a fault on the dash but doesn’t effect driving one bit shall supply with sale or fit if I get round to it, easy 10 minute job, passenger side rear wheel bearing starting to get a little noisy again only a £30 part from euro can supply with sale also, if I get round to fitting it shall be done aswell, just being honest. Any test and inspection welcome please no time wasters I will not sell this car to anyone I want someone to look after is aswell as me , my friend and previous owners have, this is a genuine well looked after car I have known it’s history and whereabouts since new. Second time I have owned this car and will be sad to see it go ,Everything works as it should. Mileage is 184k but nothing on these especially with the religious servicing through its life, last service has been done around 2 months ago, the car was also machine polished just before the service at a cost of £140, previous owner before me was a car detailer so was done regularly before that . Genuine reason for sale £3395 Ono. Stupid offers will be ignored. Cash on collection or bank transfer preferred but car will not be taken away until funds are cleared.
     
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    Be easier to post the links to the ads, that way we'd get pics too?
     
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    Nothing wrong with 2007-2009 cars with N47 engines if they've had remedial work already carried out on the timing chain. A ticking /noisy chain would be evident just by the sound of it and I would avoid those, but I wouldn't write off every one ever made!
     
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    thats the one alan gunn thanks. whats people thoughts? i really like it but it would worry me if the auto box or turbo, injectors etc where to brake. ive seen a 320 d m sport 2007 that had 170k on it with service for same money but the timing chain problems and lack of space in back has put me off.
     
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    If you can prove the engine has had a proper timing chain replacement then all good, trouble is the 2007-2009 cars need not only the main timing chain but balancer shaft sprockets and an intermediate chain, guides and crucially a crankshaft sprocket (which is not an easy job) - some may have had just the chain done and will wear again........quickly

    Not all engines will be affected - when we were looking at E91's 3 out or 4 cars were suspect (one particularly bad and the dealer argued with me as I walked away) the other car has been hit in the front and rear and badly repaired - typically that one had a sweet engine despite having a 40k hole in it's service history...

    All depends on you attitude to risk really.....but at these low prices and high mileages there could be numerous other faults waiting for you.....or not .....it's all a gamble...

    I drove a Nikasil 523 to 190k and it used no oil.....eventually got overheated by am over enthusiastic MOT tester trying to get it to pass an emissions test........it never really recovered from that...
     
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    Seller says "fit if I get round to it, easy 10 minute job, passenger side rear wheel bearing starting to get a little noisy again only a £30 part from euro can supply with sale also, if I get round to fitting it shall be done as well"

    Wouldn't you just do it in the pre-sale prep? Maybe it's just me......:oops:

    https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk/ Vehicle failed in May 2018, then again in Sept [before defects were rectified at that point] BUT without a pass in between. In that time it looks to have covered approx 8,000 miles......how, with being within the law? :unsure:

    I'd actually pass on that one as it looks a bit.......well.....Halfords :oops: , and continue the search, but it's all down to @Johntyson's personal taste(s) and preferences.
     
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    Yeah the crank sprocket is actually friction welded to the crank so the whole lot required replacement.

    Ideally anyone looking to sell would either have an invoice for the work carried out or could refer the seller to bmw if they did the work.

    I had a 2008 320d and had all this work carried out by the dealer under warranty. If I hadn't sold my car to a mate I'd have been able to get proof from bmw for the chain and crank replacement.
     
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    Agree John, if parts are an easy 10 min to fit job, then why not do it before sale?
     
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    i suppose the oil needs dropping to change oil sensor and wheel bearing just started to make noise and busy over christmas. ive messaged him to ask anyways.
     
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    Now I’ve seen the pictures I would agree with John.
     
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    It was presented 3 days before the recent MOT reporting system changed, it was just 9 months into its previous test. There were lots of older diesel cars presented for test around that time for various reasons, FUD about the new test being the main reason.

    (EDIT) I'd be more concerned about the logic of presenting a car for test with a bald tyre!

    The main fails appear to have been rectified before the retest and I'd bet the bad headlamp beam was fixed with nothing more than a good polish with the DA. I note in the description it says the lights have been 'professionally tinted'

    3.3K for an 184K mile beater is a heck of a lot more than I'd expect to pay, with little history and no really comeback.

    TBH if I really wanted a car of that age and mileage I'd be buying eyes open and just go to the auction and buy one for 700 quid. I'd expect to fix lots of niggles which is no real issue if you can do most of it yourself.
     
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    DPF removed. Black smoke May 2018. Now a MOT fail. Requires at least a remap back to standard, and probably a new DPF, which may be a challenge given the exhaust straight-through modifications.

    I can see the attraction, but I always wonder at the wisdom of buying for £3k a car that retailed for £50k when new. £50k cars have £50k spares. I'd spend the £3k on a repmobile.
     
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    Dunno some older fancy cars can be great fun and if you know what you’re getting into there are worse ways to loose money, lost more than that in depreciation in first year on some of my cars. My current BM dog van is mechanically spot on now but it didn’t come that way and it wasn’t particularly cheap to get it that way but it’s still a cheap high miles car.

    Parts are generally twice the cost of a typical cheap car so if you are confident and capable of doing your own maintenance it’s not a massive consideration - the important factor is don’t buy an elderly BM Audi Volks if you are under the impression they are more reliable than similar Ford Peugeot Citroen etc...

    For 3k you could get a younger more standard 5 from the forecourt which might be better BUT it’s not going to be problem free either all depends what the guy wants.

    (Edit) I just did some comparison prices for typical parts for a similar age car.

    2005 3 series v 2005 ford mondo both 2 litre diesel

    Clutch kit including DMF within 50 quid
    Front calliper BM 5 quid cheaper
    Rear Caliper Ford 12 quid cheaper
    Front spring BM twice price
    Rear Spring BM twice price
    Drop link (arb) same price

    Of course when that fancy big screen TFT back light fails then replacing the whole unit is going to cost an absolute fortune but at that stage Spare part surgery and/or the auction is an option
     
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    BMW's are not normally too hard to work on in terms of suspension, brakes etc.

    Electronics are usually very complex compared to other makes of a similar vintage though and are often beyond the capabilities of local garages.....good news is that most common faults are well documented - you have online versions of TIS to help and lots of forums and there are usually plenty of crashed cars to obtain parts from if specialist parts are required....you'll need a laptop and ISTA\Carly if you are working on the car yourself.....I've always managed to fix any issues I have been faced with on my BMW's (I am on my 8th or 9th now) - some have been run to 200k and beyond, you just have to be a bit brave and do your research first..

    Having said that all my cars have been pretty good even at very high mileages....perhaps I've been lucky...
     
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    Finally took the plunge and here she is. 330d m sport 2006. How do i upload pictures
     
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    Button bottom right "Upload a File"
     
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