Used 535D ~ 1st time BMW wanna be owner searches for...

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    Hi all.

    Thought i'd make the first post of this question as there will probably be many to follow over the years. And with this forum being fresh I can't be attacked for not searching for old threads!

    Anyway, from scouring www for opinions on the 535D (estate is what i'm after) is that they are a good car if maintained. Opinion is mixed but the manufacturer of the gearbox now seems to lead educated opinion that the gearbox oil should be changed at 75,000.

    I only wanted to spend 7000 maximum, but am sort of getting the feeling that 10k should be spent to get a nicer one. I did see a nice 2005 model one the other week with 70m on it, nice car but at 9k thought it wasn't value. Someone else did and the car was sold a few days later. Saw a later model one in birmingham with over 100m on it, 2007 model, much rougher than the 2005 one and with a higher asking price, it sold in a matter of days as well. It also had a squealy alternator.

    There's a few 2007 model ones around at 10,000 pounds and 100,000 miles on the clock. I'd feel better at getting a lower milage one just so I can get the gearbox oil done at 75,000 (as I read thats when the gearbox maker suggests) but the ones at this milage seem overpriced for their age.

    Can those that know point out what I should be looking for and what to avoid please.
    (Yes, i'm a badge chaser, has to be a Sport. I won't have an SE)
     
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    Yeah I agree, a sport or nothing.
    When I got my 535d (E60 55plate), I kept seeing ones I fancied and missed them, I started to panic, but then got hold of myself and made sure I waited for the one that was spec'd to my minimum, including miles etc.

    To me they seem a bit pricey, compared to what mine was p/ex'd for 3 years ago.

    There was an LCI at around 57 I think so better to look for one of those (better lights and ipod connectivity with a USB). Most recommend getting the swirl flaps dealt with, but I never did. Xenons are an option I would hold out for, obviously a full service history - try get copy invoices.

    never had an issue with the gear box, and I don't recall anyone mentioning it on bmwland either.

    Main issue with the E60/E61, which most of us had is the thermostats. A fairly easy fix, but as the older cars didn't have a visible temp gauge you don't realise the cars not warming up, unless you go into the hidden menu (which is easy and maybe you should do on a test drive), its not a very expensive job.

    I seem to recall the E61 had issues with the drains at the rear getting blocked up leading to rain water getting into the boot area, hopefully some one will be along to advise on that.

    In the meantime good luck - oh, and get it remapped !!
     
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    Apparently ZF now recommend that the gearbox oil is changed at 75,000. Can't find the links atm but the manufacturer no longer says the gearbox is sealed 'for life'. From what I have read the go is to change the fluid and filter, filter being build into the plastic sump so that has to be replaced as well.

    No temp gauge on the dash? Weird. I have only driven one but didn't notice that.

    Is it easy to find the hidden menu?
     
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    yeah its easy. Get the last five digits of the vin number and add them up to a two digit number, so 12345 would be 15.
    then with the ignition on, but not the engine, press and hold the mileage reset button.
    then it will come up with something on the dash - (might be enter password). then press the mileage button 15 times in the example, to gain access (or unlock), then you have to scroll down to the "chapter" and then the engine temp bit. its awhile ago now, and its seems I have forgot it exactly. for sure if you google it there will be a youtube video on it. theres other stuff in there too, mostly boring stuff.
    you can leave it showing whilst you drive so you can see it rising to the correct temp.
     
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    Thanks, i'll give it a try at the next car I look at.

    Sort of considering buying from an auction. I find used car yard mark ups very hard to swallow.
     
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    If you're really technically knowledgeable about the car you intend to buy, auctions could be an interesting way to buy,
    but otherwise I feel it would be very risky.

    I don't suppose they let you test drive a car, do they?
     
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    K777 mentioned the USB interface on lci cars, that is an option and not standard. I had a E61 lci with panoramic roof, and, as said, the rear drains from the roof can block which ends up flooding the boot and the electronics at the same time. The panoramic roof can be problematic although I never had a problem in the three years I had mine.
    Active steering is another option well worth having, mine had this and it was superb. Active xenons, heated seats and pro media are also essential on these cars and power folding mirrors also help resale. Mine had all of these options and it sold within two days when the time came.
     
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    Thanks for the advice.

    Yeah, auctions can be risky indeed. No, no test drives, can ask to see the books. Only time you see and hear it running is when it drives up to the podium.

    I just feel like I have been poked in the eye with a burnt stick when a dealer slaps their commission on. Yes, you do get a lot more protection and can drive the car first, but when the warranty has expired or the fault you may have isn't covered - well you end up in the same boat either way.
     
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    I think you get an hour to check the car hasn't got major substantial defects, like say the engines is knackered.
    Years ago I have bought a few from auctions.
    Although the first at 18, a mk1 Sirocco, it was already being bid on as we walked into the floor, I said I have to have that , I won it. Only to find out later it had no MOT. anyway I sorted it (including stripping the engine in my mums street - thank god for Haynes) and made a small profit (worse than Ed and Mike) . I sold it as the insurance at 18 was astronomical even in 1986.

    As Merc no BM said, these days cars are so complicated, you could come a right cropper if you don't know your stuff.
     
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    You are right about the gearboxes on the 535d. Whilst the oil changes are important the weakness is the torque converter clutch. The problem is rare on the smaller engines but even with a carefully driven 535d the TC clutch will be struggling at over 90k miles. The symptoms are subtle and you can ignore them for perhaps 50k miles until they get so bad you can't live with it!

    What happens initially (at 50k miles in my car) is the revs oscillate a few hundred rpm whilst the car is at a constant speed (often 40mph to 50mph). There's no jerking but the rev counter will dance up and down. This will get worse then the car will let the clutch slip (i.e. not lock up the gear) at low speeds and the MPG will drop. Eventually you'll get a "cattle grid" effect on hard acceleration. You can get to 150k miles before this happens.

    This is fixable, but not cheap, just like replacing the clutch on a manual car. Budget £1000 at a gearbox specialist.

    The other expensive flaw on E61's (all engines) is the panoramic roof. Check this works completely: tilt and slide. This can't really be fixed properly.

    Most other issues could be considered normal wear and tear and fixed at a sensible price.
     
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    Sorry, just coming to this a little late.

    My 535d was very reliable up until 60k miles when it started developing a number of faults. The gearbox was one of them, but had a oil change and latest software update, which improved things, but fear it was probably headed the way Jason mentioned above.

    And then I started having strange issues with the turbos. I had the boost pressure controllers to both turbos replaced and all the vacuum pipes (the latter being almost a service item by the time it gets to 5yrs old as they can rub, fray and split).

    Twas a lovely car, however, and took us all over the UK and Europe over the course of a good 25k miles. Should never have sold it really, but chopped it in on a whim for a 550i which was amazing when it the rear footwells weren't filling with water! :rolleyes:

    Good luck on the search.

    BTW - do you drink Franziskaner? My favourite Weissbier bar none! :D
     
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    Not so on LCi cars, I ran mine for four years with no problem. I am yet to hear of an LCi car with problems as the sunroof cassette was upgraded.
     
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    Perhaps so but wise to check when buying just in case because a new cassette is something like £3000 fitted.

    Sometimes the pre-LCi ones can be OK too. Mine had a wobble when it was 4 years old, BMW managed to tweak it (rather than replace under warranty) and it failed again when the car was 10 years old.
     
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    Most definitely, it's my favourite beer above all. (Uber alles??)

    Some good points raised, i'm in no rush. Finding it a bit odd how private sellers price their cars at the same dizzy heights as the car dealers yet are not able to offer any warranty.

    This one makes me laugh, 'Every conceivable extra' (except for the ones you want maybe, and a few others as well) http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classi...&page=6&engine-size-cars=3l_to_3-9l&logcode=p
     
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    I have had both pre lci & lci 535d's, my pre I sold @ 160K with no issues, they are wonderful cars but hide there problems well. I would not buy a second hand 535d unless I checked the fault memory for all modules with a C110 scanner for any lurking problems. You are all forgetting the DPF issues for these cars if not driven properly or looked after. Its a shame I cannot get access to my threads on the old "land" regarding my time with both cars. I also never had any gearbox or TC issues either. Ask as many ? as you wish as I am happy to help (y)
     
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    I'll have to do some research on the scanner you mentioned. Don't think auction houses would allow people plugging things into their cars before auction.

    They are very nice cars and drive awesomely, just don't want to get caught with big repair bills.
     
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    Then keep away from auctions with regards to the 535d, the only reason they will be at auction is because there is a problem with them. None of which you will detect in a 1hr drive believe me
     
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    The advert you linked above says 'fully electric seats', they are not. They are the standard seats that you get on every E61. Fully electric means just that, not electric height but manual fore and aft. Fully electric also have memory which is an option I would hunt down.
    Adverts that mis quote make my blood boil.:mad:
     
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    This I know, I was posting it up for how ridiculous it was. "Every conceivable extra", yes, like we say, no memory seats, etc etc etc, tempted to email the seller and ask about the options that aren't listed.

    There's a few reasons why good cars end up at auctions. End of lease is probably number one for good cars going through an auctioneers lane. Where does the 1hr drive come into the equation?
     
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    Also it is policy for many dealers to send cars to auctions if they have not sold in a specified time. To clear their books so to speak. Naturally the specified time is set by each dealer.
     
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