The Car is Aging

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    With the weather warmer, a beautiful sunny day and time between events in a chaotic life at the moment, I had time to swap over the winter wheels today.

    At least one of the winter tyres had developed a whine, quite loud between 40 - 60mph on smooth surfaces. Was pretty sure it was a tyre rather than a wheel bearing. Some heal and toe (saw tooth) wear on the outer tread blocks. Being directional tyres, couldn't swap to run on opposite sides last winter, to level it off. Fitting the summer tyres, confirmed it was the tyres.

    When I took the summer wheels off last year, I was aware the balance was drifting on the front tyres, a little vibration around 65mph. Had them all balanced while off for the winter, at least that is sorted.

    Was prepared to change the rear discs and pads, have the Brembo parts ready, but didn't want to get too involved today, if there was enough pad left. About 5mm, so rear brakes for another day.

    Now to the issues, I note the underside is starting to show corrosion and rust. I'd been treating the key bits with Waxoyl, (ends of bolts, etc.), to help keep critical bits from rusting up. Getting a few bubbles showing on the shadow line trim around the window/driver's mirror, also noticed there is paint bubbling in the rear tailgate. Starting under the rubber for the separate window hatch.

    One of the rear dampers is weeping and the replacement auxiliary bump stop/gaiter I fitted a couple years ago is already splitting.

    The damper is the bigger issue. It was damp when I fitted my winter wheels in November. I've kept my eye on it through the winter (checking with a torch and mirror), hasn't been a disaster, like dropping all the oil, but is now clearly weeping with use. Good job I've the extended warranty, which includes wear and tear these days. I'm sure the adaptive damper replacement will make the warranty cost worth it this year. Just the hassle of getting it done.

    Yes the car is aging, even though the mileage is still low at just over 53,000 miles. Will be 8-years old in July, does get me thinking... is it time to think of a replacement?

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    At those miles it isn’t even run in yet...!

    Use the extended warranty to get the shocks replaced as required, keep on top of the rust and give it another year I’d say.

    My shadow line trim has bubbled on the passenger side, across the top of the doors. Common issue I hear. Mines a 2012.
     
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    When is it the right time to change the car? A difficult question to answer, and as much to do with personal choice as anything else.

    At 53k miles, I would have thought that there was a lot of mileage left in your F11 535i, but that doesn't solve the niggles of chasing rust. I suppose that it boils down to what would you choose to replace it, and how much that would cost. Personally, I tend to keep my cars longer than most people, providing that they are reliable and as long as I still enjoy driving them. My last car, VW Golf GTi, was superb and one of the most reliable that I've owned, but at 12 years old with 120k on the clock, it was starting to feel it's age. So that decided it for me. I passed it on to my son-in-law and it's now his daily transport with over 200k mileage. It's still rust free.

    @Peter maybe it's time to have a few test drives? Do you intend to stay with BMW, or are you going to look elsewhere?

    Your comments on the tyres are interesting. I have to say that my 330d is one the best cars for consistent tyre wear. Both front and rear tyres appear to be wearing evenly across the tread width and there is no evidence of feathering on the shoulders of the front tyres. I'm not sure if this is due to the four wheel drive xDrive, or whether it's down to the tyre design itself (Pirelli P Zero). I did wonder if the fact that the front wheels are driven, that it would minimise the scrubbing on the front tyres, as opposed to a rear wheel drive vehicle that would tend to push the front wheels around bends etc?

    Anyway, Peter, keep us informed with what you decide.
     
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    If it’s any help Peter
    I’m currently Carless with two Audi’s on the drive
    Whilst out on bike, I’m passing X5’s and telling myself their nice................only yesterday I waited as an entourage of x5’s And Range Rovers passed, I felt I had to tip my helmet and wipe a tear.

    Sometimes we don’t appreciate what we have until we move it on!
    But then again... new beginnings aren’t far away!
     
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    Whilst these things can be annoying the cost to change to something new or newer is in my mind none sensicle unless you need to burn some cash. The cost to rectify the issues properly can be significantly less and provide many more years being a proud owner.

    Our F11 just ticked over 67000 miles this week and I have treated it to the following:

    Full leather clean and nourish with gliptone - the Oyster nappa leather (Comfort seats) still looks as good as the day it left the factory.
    Cleaned the black matts with a VAX machine.
    Changed the winter wheels over to the summers
    Had a BMW value oil service at £129 inc VAT
    Fitted a new OEM engine air filter myself and bought an OEM inline fuel filter for the indy to fit on Thursday.

    Our car shows no signs of rust anywhere on the bodywork atm - the car is detailed every other year at least with quality products and it seems to have protected it well. The only issues outside of warranty (car is nearly 9 years old) were the rear airbags and the headlight control unit.

    My wife obtained a 48 hour test drive in the Mini Clubman Hybrid (1.5 litre 136hp petrol plus 81hp electric) and whilst the size would be perfect for us (we find the F11 too big) the lack of refinement particularly noise suppression would annoy us on those long journeys that we do five or six times a year. Plug in Hybrid technology of this type is not far enough advance for the average non company car user.

    Value of our F11 is probably less than £9000 and we always look around. We are sticking with what we have.
     
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    Agree, I'd like to keep the F11 a long time (hoping I don't get continual EGR issues in the future). Nothing newer appeals to me, and don't see the point in parting with hard earned cash when I do minimal miles per year. Only on 23000 miles now, doing 7500 miles per year. I'd love a proper M car one day, but keeping reminding myself of the running costs. It is the best all round blend of performance, economy, running costs and practicality. Only two bug bears are the poor sound system (got standard Business Nav), and the lack of sound from the exhaust. There is always a compromise with every car though. Hoping I can do something with the sound system.
     
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    I have the same issue with the gaiter on one rear damper, mine is 3 months short of 4 years old and 35K miles, so a little disappointing.

    Seems they have not sorted the rust issue as I have the same problem at under four years old on both my E39 touring and E61, both tailgate corrosion under the rear opening window. Its disappointing to see the same issue on the newer model. I pushed for a new tailgate on my E61 as it had such low mileage at the time, I did get my wish in the end.

    I hope you get it sorted Peter.
     
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    Appreciate the comments.

    To be honest, no serious idea where I'd be looking, the F11 is still a lot of car, even if it is now worth less than £10K. I have looked at the BMW AUC cars, G31 at the top of the list, but nothing to bite at with a high enough spec', or at a sensible price.

    My E39 540i Touring was showing its age at 8-years old, was a difficult decision to let it go, mixed feelings afterwards. So won't be just changing, makes sense to run it longer on many counts. At least another year, while the warranty is under 60k miles and at the lower cost.

    It is things like the condition of the car's underpinnings, which make me uneasy of longer term ownership.

    The condition of even the dry damper... (gaiter lifted out of the way) and the associated rust. Not the end of the world, but it only gets worse.

    Dry Damper 800.JPG

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    The F11 is doing well for tracking and tyre wear, but I have rotated the summer tyres, easy to do as they are off the car at low mileage intervals.

    The winter rubber is different, they can't be swapped side to side (as I mentioned). They are feathering both sides of each tyre, on the outer blocks, both sides of each tyre feathered (heel & toe) in the same 'forward' direction, so more a tyre trait than an alignment issue. They've got ~5mm of tread left, so one more winter's use, if I keep them. At least I know what the generated whine is caused by.

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    My winter wheels and tyres are the same size on all 4 corners, so it makes sense to swap them diagonally, front to back. But my summers are staggered with 225 front and 255 rears, so it's only possible to swop them side to side. I've never done that in the past, does anyone think it worthwhile from a wear perspective?
     
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    The F11 is the first BMW I've ever rotated tyres. BMW doesn't really recommend it, as tyres do bed and wear to the corner they are fitted to. The American market do rotate, it is often a stipulation for their guaranteed tyre mileage. If we do it, should be done pretty regularly, something like 5 - 6,000 miles maximum.

    I tried it as an experiment, having an asymmetric tyre design & square setup, more to gauge if it did change the dynamics. Also to wear them out as sets, would have opportunity to change tyre brand, if I wanted to do so at renewal time. Not been any issues that I can detect, steering just as precise and straight after a change.

    If there is a bit of odd wear, even on a staggered set, side to side can work. Does help control and reverse 'heel and toe' wear patterns, on asymmetric designs. I've had directional tyres on staggered summer sets in the past, so no chance to move position without remounting tyres on the rims.
    that's just too much hassle, IMO.

    Peter
     
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    @Peter When it gets to be like mine at nearly 14 years and 133k miles you might get to be concerned about it starting to rust - which thankfully mine isn't.

    However, when I change wheels over, I do look and clean up any surface rust I find. The suspension etc gets a clean too, although its aluminium it can show signs of oxidation which gets wire brushed off too.
     
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    My summers have worn evenly across the tread, so I'm inclined to refit them in their original positions. As you say, Peter, they will already be bedded in for that location. This is the first year that I've used winter tyres, so I don't know how they've worn until I change them over next week. It will be nice to get the summers back on with the P Zero's - sharper and more precise handling than the Pirelli Soto's, which have been good but feel slightly more 'vague'.
     
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    same with mine i just noticed when doing a wheel change today the rear nearside damper gaiter has failed has a big split in it so somthing that i will have to keep an eye on as well
     
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    @Peter

    when i start questioning the car i am driving it means that i am trying to justify to myself a reason to change, my last two cars have gone at around 55k miles so if we continue in the same vein then i have about 18 months or so left in this car
     
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    hmm makes me think i should keep mine, it has done a little over 18.7k and is just over 3 years old... I changed my last one at just under 5 years old as service plan due to run out, that one had approx 29k hen i sold it.

    Keep wondering should i keep this or not, can't decide at the moment. If i keep until 55k like @mach one the car would be probably 10 years old as only done 5k a year in it since i bought it approx. Would be the longest I've owned a car, throughout all the cars I've owned, i think longest was probably 6 or 7 years.

    I guess a key factor is you know what car is worth now and it will go only go down so do you get back what you can towards the next car or use the car till its worthless and then put all the money down on a new car. For me, i'm always looking at whats it worth and should i trade in now to get that money towards new one? That's only way i stand a chance of getting another BMW or similar car as if i had to find all the money or take a loan for all the money, wont be happening.

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    Just driven 100 miles across Highland country this afternoon. Absolute joy to drive, reminds me how good this car really is. No feeling of the car’s age when at the wheel.(y)

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    I did approx 180 miles today and car was fine, no problems all so agree, makes it a harder decision when thinking of selling.

    Considering waiting till service plan runs out but also am aware will get probably under 10k for it then, even thought it has a reasonable spec, that doesn't seem to matter when you trade it in but it clearly does when they advertise the car for more than they gave you (As happened to me last time, guy told me they would sell mine for maybe £500 more than they gave me.... more like 3.5-4k more is what they advertised it at and it was on the site for less than 2 weeks i think so sold fast... Car was in good condition, no marks on alloy's, 29k, just over in just under 5 years, was a bargin for someone.

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    Sounds like it's a keeper. (y)
     
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    What ever happens, will take something a bit special to open the wallet.:)

    Won’t be a Porsche. :D

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