Stick or twist?

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    I get where he is coming from. I used to change my cars every two to three years. In the main it was simply a boredom / familiarity factor coupled with a desire to get back into something a little newer or up to date or higher spec. I seem to be doing the opposite of most of us when we reach our mid forties, instead of the ‘crisis’ I am also much more aware of how much money I was spending (no doubt the car dealers did well out of me) and now I’m spending it on other things, such as my new toy (a stand up paddle board:)) or simply paying off the mortgage. It’s nice to be free of finance too. I’ll always love my cars and I am guilty of browsing the classifieds from time to time. My 2014 5 series does everything so perfectly and effortlessly; I have a roof box, bike racks and carry my paddle board on it. I manage with two kids (a 5 and 7 year old) and don’t need anything bigger, in fact I could manage with smaller. Keeping a car this long means I don’t have to care about depreciation either; I accept it will be worthless at replacement time and so I feel less pressured. I have no desire to go to SUV such as an X5 as I cannot justify the bills vs value I get back from it. It is so personal though and being that I have been guilty of doing both, I totally get it and there is no right or wrong way. It’s up to your priorities . I do also agree the baby stage with all the baggage and paraphernalia is very short lived. I’d suggest stick.
     
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    You know my love of Porsche (Taycan Turbo now in country) and BMW.

    But ...
    (and you know mine/Jasmins plans), the Taycan or Mini isn't suitable for the dog, and so we needed a bigger car. And the Taycan might not be so suitable for trips to Lyon.
    After considering (Jasmins desires and my common sense) Porsche, Volvo, BMW and Evoque, we settled on a Mazda CX5 18 plate (new style) 2.2D, in Soul Red Crystal. Its brilliant, has loads of stuff as standard, and this one has some extras too- not many to add . Saved me a few quid too. She only does about 4k a year, so even with any extra it might only be 6k miles.
    Honestly its a delight.
     
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    Keep it and see how you get on with the Macan.

    Save the money you’ll lose on the cost to change for ultimately the sale of it. If your Mrs has an X1 then use that for lugging all the baby gear round in.

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    Hiya

    You have a 7yr old and a new addition on the way, I would’ve thought the Macan would have plenty of room?

    Failing that out of your list I’d be looking at a X5, but in the 10 months I’ve had ours, we’ve used our boot seat twice, mother in law visit.

    I’ve got a multimac in ours which is adequate for a 3, 4 and 13 year old and we are still dragging around a bugaboo donkey (twin pushchair)

    Space wise this serves our needs.

    Test drove and like the discovery 5, but not as competitive on the finance as BMW. Also sadly LR’s suffering with reliability including the 5’s :(


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    I would stick. the Macan is a good car and I am sure you could make it work even with a roof box if necessary. When my first son was born I had a 911 and my wife a Fiat Punto. Said Punto with roof box, 1 year old and pregnant wife went all over France and Germany for two weeks summer holidays and while a squeeze was fine. As the boys grew I had various estates Passat (utter crap) 2 x Honda Accords (much better than VW) and then the E61 530i. While not as practical as the estates the 6GC has a huge if awkward shaped boot and copes with all the university paraphernalia for one son in Edinburgh and the other now in Nottingham.
    If you definitely want to change a 540i touring or a new M340i touring would be a good bet or what about a Panamera? They have a hatchback style boot lid I believe and a huge boot - could this be an option if you want to keep it Porsche?
     
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    This needs a forum poll to decide :LOL:

    I'm in the stick camp - kids grow up quickly
     
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    That 5 series touring gets my vote :love:

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    Thanks everyone for the comments, thoughts & advice.

    Notwithstanding how funny and true to form this is for Spuff, it's actually a real dilemma for me and one I'm struggling with. Part of it is down to a characteristic in me of not just wanting to make do with something, but having something which is totally up to the job. Call it a lack of willingness to compromise. But therein lies the problem - everything is a compromise and the Macan is damn near perfect as a driving machine for the job in hand now, but my concern is more around how good a job it will be doing with a boot full of baby crap, a massive car seat and then the job of the family heading away on holiday. I hate struggling with things (I think most of us do) - finding the last possible space for a changing bag lodged in the passenger footwell as there's nowhere else to put it, really bugs me. So whilst I understand people manage with a Golf or similar; that to me is unnecessary stress which could be avoided by buying something bigger.

    I liken it to my motorhome - people manage in a 6m long motorhome with 400kg of payload. I don't want to go to the effort of packing lightly and having to make up a bed every night. I want to go to bed in a comfy double bed and take everything with me I want to. So I drive a 9m with 2tonnes of payload. I don't want to pootle my way up to 70mph, so I drive a car which has a lot more than 120bhp. So to me, this is more about making my life easier than it is just managing.

    But I realise that comes at a big compromise as regards performance & fun AND family.

    For those of you who haven't driven/looked in a Macan; they're not as spacious as their profile would suggest. Yes it has a 500l boot, but that boot is quite shallow as the hatchback slopes sharply, which means once a buggy is in there, there's very little space for anything else. The rear seats have limited leg room. My 7yr old is fine, but that's because my partner is only 5'6". If I were to sit in the passenger seat and put the seat back, there's very little space for little ones legs. And then there's the baby seat - my E60 really struggled with the MaxiCosi rear facing seat. It was a real effort to get that in with the drivers seat back. These seats are enormous and it's the same story for the Macan - big car seat and narrow area in which to place it. I'll take some photos when I get the Porsche back to illustrate the point.

    The way I see it, I have the following options:

    - Keep the Macan, get angry everytime we go somewhere but revel in the pleasure of driving and owning it. And get a roofbox;
    - Discovery 5 - I've not even entertained that idea, but the more I look at them, the more they are a convincing option given the vast amount of space on offer;
    - 5-series Touring - I do agree this is probably the sweet spot in terms of performance, running costs, space etc. My concern is that with a plan for no. 3, that might even be shortlived unless I go down the Multimac route;
    - X5 - unfortunately the budget can't stretch yet to the new one, which is what I would really like if I were to go down the BMW route.

    I think realistically I'm in a waiting game anyway. Changing car is the least of the issue when I have nursery furniture and other nesting tasks to do. It's in for a service but I've asked the Salesman to give a price on chopping it in. That will largely dictate whether I renew the warranty or not. If the price is way south of where it needs to be then my decision is largely made for me and I'll renew the warranty and buy the roofbox.....ultimately kicking the can down the path for the next year.

    Can't reply to everyone, but a few comments:

    @K777 - not sure I could go Porky to Mazda, Rich! :eek: Good luck with your plans! :)

    @aldo - your situation is probably going to be the most representative of mine, all being well. As such, really appreciate your input. (y)

    @The CO - thanks so much for the Discovery suggestion. It's one of the vehicles which I don't think I've ever come across in my musings, so good to have my attention brought to it and have another to weigh up. I think it's so different from the Macan that it could work very well. The RRS is too close in a lot of ways to make me think "what if" too frequently.

    @kleynie - your thoughts on the Cayenne resonate with other comments I've heard. I've not driven one, but I've heard so many stories of people saying "it's not a Porsche" and not being as happy with it as the Macan. I'm actually wondering, given the cost & running costs, whether it's not the weakest option on a bang for buck basis.
     
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    @Spuffington Sorry to appear blunt or unsympathetic to your current 'predicament' Duncan, but perhaps a reality check and re-alignment of priorities might be on the cards? [I'l :unsure:...l get my coat..... :getmecoat: ]
     
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    No problem John. I'm not looking for sympathy - just ideas.

    Realignment of the priorities is definitely kiddy related rather than car at this stage.
     
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    I'm very keen on the Panamera, much more so than the Cayenne. Only problem is that they all have just four seats (plus a smallish boot). The Sports Tourismo (Estate) would be perfect if it had five seats. But doesn't ! :(
     
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    The Sport Turismo is a very nice piece of kit, I'd love one of those bad boys. The Discovery is an interesting one in that it's not a car I would have ever considered but it drives a lot better than I thought it would, with a decent spec it would easily rival a RR for space if nothing else. It won't ever be as plush as the RR but the margins are small, it's still a nice place to be. Well worth a look in my opinion. Chap I know on another forum swears by it for his growing family, says the in-flight video system is worth its weight in gold!
     
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    Shame this virus thing is about....when I was looking to change from the X3 a Disco was on my mind. LR dealership let me have a 3 day test drive...they offered as soon as I showed serious interest
     
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    3 days? That's pretty good, Porsche let me have a Macan for 24hrs and I thought even that was good.
     
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    Well said John...


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    Good luck getting a good deal from Porsche dealers at present. They seem to have cars flying out of the showroom and are offering below par px deals.

    However, they have a shortage of diesel Macan's and are crying out for them, so that could work in my favour.
     
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    Rereading through this thread, the search should be on, for a newer Macan,
    The purpose of the Bmw was for kid transportation put the roof box on that!

    These thoughts are being misaligned, it’s “DADS” toy first and foremost, (an escape, peace, solitude, desire etc!)
    The kids can be squashed in the back for when sensible head is on and mums car just won’t do!
    Anything else is a compromise which shall lead to regret and a bout of infrequent car changes!
    “You’ve been there!”
     
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    You've sort of hit the nail on the head. What we should've done (and what I was originally pushing for), was the VW T6 was to be swapped for a 5er Touring or X3 so that became the kiddy car, which would've left the Macan untouched.

    Problem is - my Partner doesn't like driving big vehicles. She was fine with the T6 in the end, but much preferred for me to drive it. And so in buying her X1, she wanted it to be relatively pint size whilst practical. But it's not (nor was it intended) to be the GT car we need when we're off as a family on holiday. We have family in NW Scotland/Southern France, Ireland and Germany so do a fair bit of travelling in normal times.

    As if to prove the point - the kiddy stuff had its first try out in the X1 today. It fits - no problem at all. And even space for a changing bag and her handbag. But I did suggest that she shouldn't think about actually buying anything when she does go out......! ;) For reference, the X1 has the same size boot as the Macan (500litres), albeit in terms of rear bench space, the Macan is wider (slightly).

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