F30 335d Ownership - 3 weeks in

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    However there's no difference in the bodyshell between an F30 with folding seats and one without. I'm sure there's more difference in rigidity between the F30 and F31 than there is between having / not having folding seats in the F30.

    Looking on Newtis, the backrest is held in with 2 bolts at the bottom, but only clips into guides at the sides and the tops. I can't believe only clipping in the seat adds that much rigidity.
     
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    The F80's come with folding rear seats as standard, very useful
     
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    Yes, I agree. I wasn't implying that there was any difference in the body shell of the F30. The only advantage of fixed rear seats is probably less chance of trim rattles. What I was pointing out was that designing the car chassis will involve compromises at the design stage - convenience v. performance. Designing the convertible models present the biggest challenge, as without the fixed roof to act as a stress member, the floor pan has to be strengthened to try and achieve sufficient torsional stiffness. Quite often the convertible models will weigh more than a saloon, for that reason.

    My car had the fixed rear seats, when purchased at 2 months old. If I'd had the option, I would certainly have opted for folding rear seats, just for the flexibility they provide. I wonder how easily they could be converted? Probably extortionately expensive knowing BMW?
     
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    To buy the parts I'd hazard is close to £2k. Most cost effective would be to buy the rear leather seats in any colour and get them dyed coral red. The actual mounting hardware doesn't cost a great deal. The chances of finding F30 folding seats in coral red, well, hen's teeth, rocking horse poo come to mind. A bonus would be if the rear seats came with heating pads then I'd retrofit rear seat heating at the same time.
     
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    For the odd time once in a blue moon that the extra space is required, I guess that I can get by fitting roof bars. :rolleyes:
     
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    I've seen a dakota leather interior with rear folding seats for £425 on ebay. Rears aren't heated. I asked the seller if he'd split but understandably he'd prefer not to. Also seen a set of heated rear seats in oyster. But that's located in Germany for £550 + 160 delivery.

    Yes, I'm very happy with the car, just the annoyance with the fixed seats so I was just seeing if it's possible to swap them if the cost isn't too prohibitive.
     
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    I believe a towbar and small trailer will offer a better solution
    I wouldn’t go pulling the seats out when needed, over time that will cause squeaks and creaks
     
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    I know a man who could swap the leather covers over... easily..


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    Similarly, a saloon body will always be stiffer than the corresponding estate car or hatchback model. The bonded-in front windscreen gives a significant increase in stiffness over a bare body too, but it's over 40 years since I was doing these sort of measurements, when I worked for Standard Triumph, so I can't remember the numbers! That was when bonded front 'screens were just being introduced (the TR7 was the first Triumph with a bonded 'screen). Convertible bodies are usually much heavier than saloons because of the additional reinforcements in the sills and base of A and B pillars to regain some torsional (and bend) stiffness. The roll-over bar made a huge improvement to the Triumph Stag!
     
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    You weren't responsible for the Allegro screens popping out, when jacked at one corner, were you? :eek: Only jesting. :)

    It's interesting to see the BMW E46 touring had slightly more torsional rigidity than the saloon with folding seats, 14000 Nm/deg, compared to 13000 Nm/deg. for the saloon. I suggest the rear tailgate will be contributing to the greater rigidity.

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    No, I never worked on the Allegro! There wasn't much sharing of engineering resources across the BL divisions in the early 70's. (Although it was an Austin Morris stylist who styled the TR7). There were many production quality issues at the time! Also, it is quite likely that tolerancing build-ups meant that the 'screen aperture size/dimensions varied between cars and that lack of body torsional stiffness meant that some cars were OK & that others popped the 'screen.
     
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    We go further off topic... :oops:

    "Quality issues..." you can say that again! I was working for a Rover/Triumph dealer in the 70's, running their body shop. I remember the workshop foreman and myself taking the first look at the TR7, :eek: wondering what ever Triumph had done.

    It was the Triumph Dolomite Sprint that I liked the most, hence why getting one in my favourite spec', carmine red, overdrive gearbox, webasto roof. I did like the I6 engines in the 2000 range, the 2500S being a car I particularly enjoyed driving.

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    Totally agree there! I had an F31 335d with Adaptive and it was fantastic, my current F30 335d without it has just enough roll in the body that gives you that slight wallowing feel, and the thought that maybe it really won't take that corner at that speed... but it still does! Still a nice ride but i'd never skip the suspension again..
     
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    Excellent write up. So long as you re happy with the car and enjoying it, that s all that matters .
     
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    Very shocked to read this. I was only saying yesterday how the suspension is a vast improvement from my e60. My 335D GT feels really secure around the corners which I put down to the suspension and xDrive. I can realty tell the difference in the suspension between Sport & Comfort modes.

    Also I'm sure my F34 comes with split rear folding seats as standards which is had been very convenient last weekend collecting a single bed for my son (y)
     
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    It's an improvement on my old E91 when that had SE suspension, but worse than when I put Bilsteins on it. AFAIK the LCI F30 models had beefier suspension components so even the standard suspension felt better than the pre-lci. For example looking on realoem, the front top mounts have been superseded by parts from 2015 onwards.

    Anyway, the insurance difference to include better suspension is an extra £70 a year so not too bad.
     
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    How do you find the iDrive? think I've been spoilt with the big touch screen on a 18 plate VW Passat which I had with my old company
     
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    I would prefer the iDrive controller any time. IMHO using a touch screen while driving is a hazard, 'Technology for technology's sake'.
    You can easily access the iDrive and the option buttons without the need to look at them.
     
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    Spoilt, why do you think that? finger prints all over the screen, taking your eyes off the road - idrive is the better system.
     
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    This is my first time with idrive full stop as my old car didn't have it. After a few weeks I've memorised the buttons so can navigate my way around the controller without taking my eyes off the road. Phone contacts appear in the black panel display and called very easily, it's an excellent hands free system IMO
     
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