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    With all the talk of reducing emissions, achieving targets, move towards EV, we seem to be driving the wrong vehicles, in conflict with making those goals possible, without greater challenges.

    The last thing we should be driving are SUVs, SAVs, Trucks, Crossovers, particularly the bigger ones. And moving to more petrol options, particularly in heavy vehicles used for the urban crawl. Less efficient, poor aerodynamics, extra weight. Plus the problem with City cars, which are difficult to manufacture at a profit, models being dropped across the marques. But it appears the trend is still strong for more of the least efficient designs.

    I sense some serious concerns from the motor industry, users voting in conflict to what we really need to be doing to make motoring less of an environmental issue.

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    Usual rule applies here - ask the average person (not petrol head) and they'll wax lyrical about saving the planet and how all diesels are bad and how car enthusiasts are the anti-christ - next minute they'll be buying a huge over-weight SUV for the two days a year they need it...and changing it every 18 months.

    Fashion dictates all - it's all about being seen to have the right vehicle, the right badge, the right clothes etc etc....if people were serious about saving the planet they'd make diffierent choices, most people aren't even in interested in driving....

    Must infiriate the car industry but they have to make profit.
     
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    Don’t get me started on this. I work 1 minute from Oxford Circus and last week there was a rally of teenagers with banners about emissions and saving the planet. One of my friends knew one of the teens who took part and apparently he jumped onto a jumbo jet to Australia the following day :eek:
     
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    Ah, the good old "carbon footprint".

    BTW, what happened to that? We don't hear much about our personal carbon footprint any more.

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    Certainly changed days. If we'd announced as kids that we were 'going on strike' from school, we'd have been lined up and given six of the belt. I fear the tail has started wagging the dog.......:getmecoat:
     
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    Yes I agree.(y) On the subject of EV where do the general public think the electricity actually comes from? In the main, in the UK, burning coal - since when has that been environmentally friendly?!:banghead: Coupled with the fact that most cars expend more energy in their actual production than they will ever use in their lifetime we should be encouraged to keep them on the road for as long as is practical not dispose of them on a whim.. The world has gone mad!
     
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    That's the thing with a lot of these armchair social justice warriors. Whether it's to do with cars, or "the rich (however you define that) should pay more in taxes", it never seems to apply to themselves.
     
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    The fact of the matter is that the air in towns and cities has never been cleaner than it is today. But if you listen to the environmentalists, you would get the impression that it's worse than it's ever been. That's not to say that there isn't a problem with air quality, and that it needs to be improved. I can understand why fossil fuelled vehicles are not ideal for city centre use, but out on the open road they are fine. The present hysteria is being driven by pressure groups such as the Friends of the Earth, that now have the ears of politicians.

    And don't get me started on the recent strikes by school children on global warming. Come Monday, they will all be ferried to school in their parents' gas guzzling 4x4's causing gridlock, and will be jetting off for several holidays a year to far flung corners of the world. Of course that does not even register.
     
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    You may find this video very interesting

    (it's a different Patrick Moore, not the astronomer.)
     
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    Although not remotely emissions neutral, EVs seem to the the PC choice of the current era. We would have one if somebody made one which we liked enough.

    It's too easy to blame the end user, particularly when pointing at air pollution in built up areas. Do most people who sit in traffic on the twice daily grind actually want to? Is it really necessary for so many people to need to move in one direction at exactly the same time? Flexible working practices, home working, flexible education facilities, and so on. Far too complicated. Easier to blame those who have no choice. And what about speed humps. The highest levels of air pollution, some of it potentially lethal, can be found in proximity to these types of traffic "calming" measures. Still, maybe it's better to choke than get knocked down.

    Why are we even making cars any more? Stop digging the raw materials out of the ground. Stop the factories churning out disposable goods for people who have been brainwashed into thinking that a new car at regular intervals is somehow desirable or even necessary. But that would negatively impact too many industries. Easier to blame the end user.

    The hypocrisy is everywhere. Most of it impacts in one place.
     
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    There was a young woman on TV today, with a Doctorate of some sort, described as an 'astro-ecologist'.

    Her contribution to the news item was "We're trying to establish where we came from, and why we're here".

    Good luck with that, but she's doubtless pulling down a salary which would be the envy of many..........:rolleyes: :banghead:
     
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    We come from supernova. Same as everything else. She's got "Astro" in her job title and she doesn't know that?

    As John says, good luck with the second question. I haven't met many people who haven't spent time contemplating that. Nice to get paid for it.
     
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    I know the answer to the second question . . . ."The Ultimate Answer to Life, The Universe and Everything is...42!" :hehe:
     
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    Yes, but what was the actual question?
     
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    What is the meaning of life, the Universe, and everything. :-D
     
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    :confusedmore:
     
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    It'd take many Doctorates to answer that one with any degree of certainty. :scratch: It is, in fact, one of those questions to which there may be no answer.

    Like "Why do birds?" satisfies all the technical, grammatical prerequisites of being a question [interrogative, verb and noun], but has no answer.......:getmecoat: :wink:
     
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    I suspect that the question "where do we come from" may be unanswerable, even meaningless, because our frame of reference is inadequate. I think it's been mathematically proven it's impossible to completely describe any closed system just from within it, or something to that effect. That implies to me that we can never understand "where" the universe is or what is "outside" it because trying to visualise it using those concepts makes no sense. A bit like asking, "What's north of the North Pole?"
     
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    Nothing. North, South, East, West, up, down etc are artificial constructs globally accepted by humans to try to make 'workable' sense of our location in three-dimensional space - meaningless for any other purpose. Just like the sun neither rises, nor sets. :whistling:

    We're all hurtling through space at approx 66k mph, while simultaneously spinning at c.1k mph. I'm a bit dizzy now, just thinking about it :rofll:
     
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    But we already know the answer . . . . It's 42. :D
    Anyone knows that. It's because the Earth is a flat disc, rotating on its North - South axis. So one side of the disc is in shadow 12 hours and the other in sunshine.
    Those
    fools that think the Earth is spherical like a ball make me laugh. If that were true we would be either going up or downhill all the time. Ridiculous! :rolleyes:
     
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